May 22nd, 2018

Lethbridge had triple murder back in 1945


By Letter to the Editor on January 11, 2018.

It has been largely reported in the media including the CBC that the Vielle case is the first triple murder in Lethbridge history. Not so.

To set the the record straight, I refer you to the Feb. 21, 1945 article from the Lethbridge Herald:

“Gun, Razor, Bring Death

George M. Ogloff Apparently Shot in Sleep at Henderson Lake Golf Clubhouse – Wife Found With Razor in Hand and Two Children Dead in Car – Jealousy Said Motive

Tragedy wiped out a Lethbridge family Tuesday at the Henderson Lake Golf Club when four persons father, mother and two children died according to the police by murder and suicide.

The Dead:

George M Ogloff, about 39

His wife, Wilma, about 35

His daughter, Lorraine, 9

And his son, Michael, 5

Investigation by city police and Dr. J.S. Wray, city coroner, indicated murder and suicide. Ogloff died of shotgun wounds in the left chest as he lay in bed.

Bodies of Mrs. Ogloff and the two children, their throats slashed, were found in the family car parked outside the clubhouse. Police and Dr. Wray said indications were that Mr. Ogloff died first apparently shot while asleep. The shotgun believed to have been used was found outside the clubhouse leaning against the wall.”

In the interest of history, I thought I should point this out. This makes the Vielle case at least the second triple murder in Lethbridge.

The article can be found online at http://www.uleth.ca/lib/digitized_collections/ourheritage/index_page_stuff/Local_History_Links/Historyclips/clip3_murder.html.

Bruce Haig

Lethbridge

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29 Responses to “Lethbridge had triple murder back in 1945”

  1. already extinct says:

    For anyone interested in muckraking the murderous history of man in the area we can go back 150 years or so (albeit before Lethbridge was formed) to the unbelievable slaughter that took place, along the stretch where the Highway 3 bridge today crosses the Oldman River.

    It was here where, over the period of a few days, several groups who hated each other so violently they formed up for war, then knifed, shot, clubbed and annihilated to death, every man, woman, child and any other living thing that got in the way.

    I’m still uncertain if anything was settled in that one.

    • IMO says:

      al ex, I highly recommend obtaining a copy of Lee Maracle’s book, My Conversations with Canadians. It is available at Chapters. Currently, there are three copies in stock.

  2. IMO says:

    “Scholars have long recognised that both the noble and the brutal savage are fantasies of the European mind that kept Indigenous peoples in a suspended state of either elevated purity or perpetual evil.

    The noble savage binds Indigenous peoples to an impossible standard. The brutal savage, by contrast, becomes the pre-emptive argument for Indigenous failings.”
    ~Helen Gardner, Associate Professor of History, Deakin University

    https://theconversation.com/explainer-the-myth-of-the-noble-savage-55316

  3. already extinct says:

    Thanks IMO for the invitation, plus the other link.

    However I have little appetite to add to an already burgeoning library of indigenous tome traducing colonialism, capitalism, or one trumpeting dependency,,so on – especially one from an indigenous world viewer proclaiming to have “Conversations with Canadians” which in fact, (one reviewer states) is another of an endless river of monolithic shame and blames in which “the reader is not invited to respond”.

    Frankly, regardless of the subject, if the study is not one based on a balanced exercise of provable truth and fact, warts and all, I am not remotely interested – the world of fiction and fairy tails is plenty fine without me – but I thank you never the less. Aside from that. Ms. Maracle’s book would be a poor fit in the same room with Wellman’s “The Indian Wars of the west (1934 ed), Flanagan’s “First Nations? Second Thoughts”, Reilly’s “Bad Medicine”, or Helins “Dances with Dependency” and many more.

    Since I’ve learned through your introduction that Ms. Maracle is coastal Salish, my thoughts drift to what a conversation between her and Calvin Helin would turn out like – that I’d pay to see. Further a conversation with Beth Ward (“Dying in Indian Country”) and Lee Maracle would also make for a wonderful evening.

    • IMO says:

      I am familiar with the work of Judge Reilly, and offer the following to provide context for other readers:

      “I am a retired judge. I resigned my position after 33 years on the bench because I became disillusioned with the Canadian Criminal Justice system and in particular its treatment of aboriginal people.

      I now seek to challenge people in the legal profession/business to re-think the true meaning of justice, and the need for drastic changes in the Criminal Justice System in Canada, and the need to change our attitudes towards aboriginal people for the sake of Canada’s honour.

      In 1977, I had the distinction of being the youngest person appointed a judge of the Provincial Court of Alberta. In 1996, I attracted international media attention when I ordered an investigation of political corruption and financial mismanagement on the reserve in my jurisdiction.

      In 2010, I published Bad Medicine: A Judge’s Struggle for Justice in a First Nations Community. In 2014, I wrote Bad Judgement: The Myths of First Nations Equality and Judicial Independence in Canada. I wrote these books to demonstrate the bias against aboriginal people in Canada, and the resistance in the Canadian Establishment to doing anything about it.”
      ~Judge John Reilly

      As to your mention of Paul Wellman’s, Indian Wars of the West, I direct you, again, to read the quote from Professor Gardner.

      As regards your mention of Calvin Helin, I direct your attention to the following:

      https://www.ccab.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/CCAB-PP-Report-V2-SQ-Pages.pdf

      With your inclusion of Tom Flanagan’s, First Nations? Second Thoughts, I offer the following review from Quill and Quire:

      https://quillandquire.com/review/first-nations-second-thoughts/

      I direct thoughtful readers to the following excerpt from Unsettling America: Decolonization in Theory & Practice, which aligns with sentiments expressed by Judge John Reilly in the above quote.

      ” First and foremost, decolonization must occur in our own minds. The Tunisian decolonization activist, Albert Memmi, wrote, “In order for the colonizer to be the complete master, it is not enough for him to be so in actual fact, he must also believe in its legitimacy. In order for that legitimacy to be complete, it is not enough for the colonized to be a slave, he must also accept his role.” The first step toward decolonization, then, is to question the legitimacy of colonization. Once we recognize the truth of this injustice, we can think about ways to resist and challenge colonial institutions and ideologies. Thus, decolonization is not passive, but rather it requires something called praxis.

      Brazilian libratory educator Paulo Freire defined praxis as “reflection and action upon the world in order to transform it.” This is the means by which we turn from subjugated human beings into liberated human beings. In accepting the premise of colonization and working toward decolonization, we are not relegating ourselves to a status as victim, but rather we are actively working toward our own freedom to transform our lives and the world around us.”

  4. already extinct says:

    So IMO, what is your take, that we all leave and turn this over to Indians?

    This isn’t about being master of anyone or anything, anymore than the unelected City of Lethbridge administration serves as my master, forcing me to pay taxes, the bill to paint crosswalks, the bill to close city roads and police a bicycle race, the water bill, the electrical bill, the bill to support those who choose not to contribute anything, I have a master too. I’d like to get that dictator out of my life too, and obtain everything I enjoy in this life on the back of someone else! Beautiful if you can pull it off, but most of us chose to head off to the office or shop everyday to pay the master – the colonizer.

    In history when talk turns to atrocities committed, native people have as much blood on their hands as anyone (you have to get your hands on the pre-Hollywood version of natives, their interactions with each other and others arriving (which today we’re told – no make that forced to love and embrace) to get the real stories – and they’re very hard to obtain).

    And if you know anything about John Reilly and or the Stoneys you know he identifies these struggles, these old and real handed down from generation to generation stories, very well in his books! John Reilleys relationships with his subject hasn’t always been a walk in an English garden. I’d direct you to the part where he talks about his struggle to get kids on that reserve an education – his struggles with Chief John Snow, and a horribly corrupt tribal administration, which neither he nor anyone else has been able to do anything with. Same as about 600 other tribes holding captive their people across this nation in bondage & poverty – then with the help of the media, throw the blame on White people and a few warped priests for everything.

    With BILLIONS pouring into less then 5% of the population, there needs to be some truth and reconciliation, to turn this around, and all the financier gets for his investment is more mistreatment and billions of his dollars dumped on the fire.

    I’m not defending or trouncing anyone, the facts are what they are. For whatever reasons some continue to defend the common illogical reasoning a century and a half in the making. Thanks to an increasingly powerful and obfuscating media, controlling the message, the fires rages on. The finest and most successful, Native folks, ignored the jab and grab BS long ago, got educated (if they could) and left the dependency band wagon , travelling hand in contributing hand with modern humans towards their goals and eventual successes.

    Further if a few Indians (and I believe the numbers to be small – if it bleeds it leads in the manufacturing & manipulating game the media plays- shaping thought) in 2018 don’t embrace, have problems with this colonization you and others harp on about keeping fires raging, I suggest they end the problems with the colonizers by abandoning endless claims leading to dump truck loads of money, which ironically ancient natives had no use for.

    Those rejecting the invader – the trampling of their “culture” must give up the running water, the absolutely insane money (very few know anything about) pouring in from natural resources nobody else can touch (nothing racist about that one at all – hell NO!),the white mans clothes, the hospitals, motorhomes, snowmobiles, free education, paved highways, subsidized or free drugs, toilets, the 7-11’s everything colonization brought to them and which they embrace fully & dearly with great vigor daily just as you and I do.

  5. IMO says:

    Dr. Gardner’s words bear repeating:

    “Scholars have long recognised that both the noble and the brutal savage are fantasies of the European mind that kept Indigenous peoples in a suspended state of either elevated purity or perpetual evil.

    The noble savage binds Indigenous peoples to an impossible standard. The brutal savage, by contrast, becomes the pre-emptive argument for Indigenous failings.”
    ~Helen Gardner, Associate Professor of History, Deakin University

    Is there a correlation between the ideology of the noble/brutal savage and the contemporary systemic institutionalisation and internalisation of colonialism?

    If one is motivated to create a list of contributions afforded by colonialism, so called, would one not be remiss to not make it as complete as possible, or at the very least, to make it as balanced as possible?

    “Colonization can be defined as some form of invasion, dispossession and subjugation of a peoples. The invasion need not be military; it can begin—or continue—as geographical intrusion in the form of agricultural, urban or industrial encroachments. The result of such incursion is the dispossession of vast amounts of lands from the original inhabitants. This is often legalized after the fact. Historically, First Nation peoples (defined as Status Indians by the Indian Act) lost some 98% of their original lands through various legal means such as treaties and the Indian Act. Métis Nation peoples lost some 83% of their Red River lots through the Scrip program. The long-term result of such massive dispossession is institutionalized inequality. The colonizer/colonized relationship is by nature an unequal one that benefits the colonizer at the expense of the colonized.” ~ Emma LaRocque, PhD

    Is the continuity manifested, on a global scale, vis a vis the impact to Indigenous peoples through colonisation and imperialism not an obvious phenomenon? Is it not reasonable to conclude, then, that this is not an historical nor contemporary anomaly in Canada?

    For the non-First Nations, Metis or Inuit reader, how has historic colonisation impacted your life? How does contemporary colonialism determine what you may or may not engage in? How does this compare to the experience of First Nations, Metis and Inuit Canadians?

    Is it not appropriate, then, to continue to ask, “How does the settler population of Canada, the Canadian State and First Nations, Metis and Inuit peoples move forward? How do we, together, move from the nation’s colonial origins and arrive at a legitimate post-colonial society with honesty and integrity?”

    • already extinct says:

      IMO, you want to talk about people losing it all, being “colonized” as you like that hackneyed word so much.
      OK, lets talk about the Japanese after the bombs ( I invite you to look at the latest pictures of Nagasaki, and Hiroshima a mere 70 + years after the atrocities inflicted upon them) and compare those imagines to an Indian Reserve – any Indian Reserve. Go ahead – look – what you find may amaze you.

      Lets talk about Ukrainians arriving here in train loads with absolutely nothing but hope. Hungarians in the fifties, no more industrious people were ever planted on this earth. You don’t find them loafing along our streets, begging on the corners, in food banks or out side coffee shops. Not on your life will you.

      While we’re at it lets have a conversation about people of every race, difficulty and tragic circumstance who have survived untold decimation to near extinction and bounced back.

      If there’s anything unique about North American Indians it’s that a disproportionate number of them (lets understand that not all of them by any means – I wouldn’t want my lawyer mad at me) relative to their number in the population have not picked themselves up and rebuilt.

      Frankly I can’t think of another race of people with such a sad record, and there isn’t one I know of in the history of the world where more money has been poured in to help them and for the most part has not done much.

      If there another culture that’s failed similarly over such a vast period of time, provide the example, and I’ll direct you to a sandy beach in the Antarctica.

  6. biff says:

    al ex makes some points, as uncomfortable and difficult to accept as some of them may be. and, there is great input from imo, as well, who also leaves us with dead on queries to conclude (jan12, 1:43pm). the answers to those are difficult to fathom, but i feel the effective approach would need to include a way to make gov’t more accountable (drop party system; get back to one vote per person, so, lose the present approach that awards majority gov’t to 38% of the vote; prohibit lobbying; give teeth to auditor general reports; apply the harper tough on crime approach only to politicians, bureaucrats, and big business types…and more). moreover, we will need to find a way to emasculate the banks and the power of the multinational. finally, we will need to ensure wealth is spread out more evenly – fuller respect for the time and effort of all working folk – and that sustainability and the environment are recognised as more important than profit. crazy, i know, but it is on those grounds that i see all good hearts coming together.

    • IMO says:

      The good points made, to which you refer, biff, do these include any of the following?

      1. The assertion that municipal governance is equivalent to colonialism?
      2. The oblique reference to FNMI (First Nations, Metis and Inuit) as freeloaders?
      3. That non-FNMI, in North America, have never been engaged in wars with each other?
      4. The inference that FNMI governed themselves with European systems of government prior to contact and colonisation?

      While I appreciate that, through your suggestions, you are giving thought to this topic , does this country not continue to wait for the implementation of election promises made by the current federal government in power? Promises that would begin to seriously address, with honesty, integrity and transparency, many of the entrenched systemic colonial paradigms actively at work in contemporary society and also attend to the other important issues you raise?

      • biff says:

        i appreciate your points, and with regard to those of al ex, wasn’t wanting to repeat, but as there some al ex comments i do not readily accept, i will refer only to these as gaining my consideration: my views in parentheses…
        “With BILLIONS pouring into less then 5% of the population…” (our present approach is ineffective);

        “This isn’t about being master of anyone or anything, anymore than the unelected City of Lethbridge administration serves as my master, forcing me to pay taxes, the bill to paint crosswalks, the bill to close city roads and police a bicycle race, the water bill, the electrical bill, the bill to support those who choose not to contribute anything,…” (all but the few are being played…owned like serfs);

        and the first al ex entry in this thread, (which does well to remind us of how dark can be the human heart.) the behaviour to which al ex refers in the first thread continues to this day, and also long before the reference point of 150 years or so ago. this resonates for me as well because war based atrocities in general, and gov’ts of the west propping up unpopular :gov’ts” and otherwise stirring unrest and fear wherever there is wealth in a foreign land, is a large piece of the present economic approach, without which the neo-feudal economy (and its kings) suffers. as this is in part how our wealth is stolen: free speech muted; peoples homogenized through attrition and the economic forces of neo-feudal globalisation; …mining, the arms manufacturers and dealers, banking et al (really all one happy family) “legally” access the wealth that is stolen the world over through all the many components that make up the war machine, and stuff it into their pockets. while this all requires many paragraphs and specific examples to fully illustrate, suffice it to say, i hear the great shirley bassey belting out “history repeating”.

    • already extinct says:

      biff, I agree with you except for the “ensure the wealth is spread out more evenly” part.

      The only way I’d agree to spreading wealth or much else is for people to get the hell out of bed everyday like I do and get to work on time, and do so everyday until you retire!

      And along the way muster up enough pride as an intelligent industrious human being to build a life on your the nickel you earned not someone else’s you think owes you a living.

      • biff says:

        i agree – we all need to contribute fairly. the “evenly” idea is that we also all deserve to rewarded fairly. sadly, there is little fair about our present economics. let us look at 2 similarly useless endeavours: dunking doughnuts and dunking basketballs – each accomplishes nothing, but the latter reaps massive rewards.

        • IMO says:

          biff, I would be most interested to read your paraphrase of the quote from Dr. Gardner. For your convenience:

          “Scholars have long recognised that both the noble and the brutal savage are fantasies of the European mind that kept Indigenous peoples in a suspended state of either elevated purity or perpetual evil.

          The noble savage binds Indigenous peoples to an impossible standard. The brutal savage, by contrast, becomes the pre-emptive argument for Indigenous failings.”
          ~Helen Gardner, Associate Professor of History, Deakin University

          Thank you.

  7. biff says:

    odd tangent looking back at the letter. anyway, imo, i will get back on your request. more complicated than i imagined 🙂

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