Splitting Canada’s submarine fleet could endanger procurement project, experts warn
By Canadian Press on September 23, 2025.
OTTAWA — Multiple defence experts warn that splitting Canada’s lucrative submarine contract between two suppliers would create risks for the navy — and likely would weaken Ottawa’s negotiating position.
Paul Mitchell, a professor of defence studies at Canadian Forces College, said modern submarines are as complex as spacecraft or F1 racers — and that’s a good reason to avoid complicating the purchase by setting up two separate supply lines and parts inventories.
“You’re subject to butterfly effects … You have a small input create very, very large impacts, and you would be encouraging that kind of behaviour within the system that you’re designing,” Mitchell told The Canadian Press.
“This is a country that historically has not funded the sustainment and logistics side of military procurement. We’re always short parts, we’re always short expertise.
“And so, having those two separate things would introduce a level of additional complexity that might ultimately make the entire thing fail.”
Vice-Admiral Angus Topshee said in a recent interview with The Canadian Press that the Royal Canadian Navy could support submarines supplied by both companies vying for the sub contract — and there could be advantages to diversifying the fleet.
Topshee also said the “simplest solution” would be to buy 12 submarines from just one supplier, ensuring all the parts and weapons systems are the same.
Topshee did not express a preference for either option and said the decision is ultimately up to the federal government.
“Bottom line, anything that adds up to 12 submarines for Canada sounds like a fantastic decision to me,” he said.
Topshee noted that, whether Ottawa chooses one contract or two, it will have to duplicate its submarine infrastructure on both coasts due to the vast distance between Victoria and Halifax.
An industry source who asked not to be named due to the private nature of government meetings told The Canadian Press senior officials have floated the idea of splitting the contract for months behind the scenes. The source said it’s not immediately clear how seriously Canada is considering this.
Ottawa has narrowed the field of contenders for the submarine contract from the initial five. The two finalists are South Korea’s Hanwha and its KSSIII subs and ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems and its Type 212CD subs, which are now being built for Germany and Norway.
“Could we buy six of the Type 212 from Germany and Norway and six of the KSSIII from Korea? Yeah, we could,” Topshee said.
“In 10 to 15 years, the auditor general is going to write a report going on about how much duplication there is. Fair enough. But in the military terms, sometimes redundancy provides resilience and that can be incredibly powerful.”
But David Perry, president of the Canadian Global Affairs Institute, said splitting the fleet would undermine Canada’s bargaining position.
“It would be, in one sense, a quintessentially Canadian thing to just not actually have to pick a loser, but I think it’s far from ideal,” he said.
“If Canada bought 12, we’d potentially be the largest customer for that specific variant of the submarine. And if you’re the largest consumer, I think you’ve got a different degree of influence over things like choices about design requirements, firm participation in supply chains — those kinds of things.
“If you’re the second or third-largest purchaser, I think that’s a bit of a different conversation.”
Philippe Lagassé, an associate professor at Carleton University who studies defence policy, said splitting the fleet also would require two separate training streams for crews and technicians — and those crews couldn’t be transferred from one type of boat to another without retraining.
“As with fighter aircraft, most defence analysts will tell you that this is crazy for a mid-sized country like Canada,” he wrote in his defence newsletter on Tuesday. “The duplication, inefficiencies and personnel challenges involved are significant.”
Daniel Kerry is a director in finance transformation at Deloitte who worked on the U.K.’s submarine program. He said this is not a decision Ottawa will take lightly, since it’s likely to be its most expensive military purchase ever.
Kerry said choosing both bidders would diversify the fleet and could speed up delivery timelines. It could also minimize the risk of service disruptions in the event a submarine supplier’s home country gets into a war of its own, he added.
But Ottawa will want to consider costs, the potential for spinoff industrial benefits, the effects on alliances and similarities in the equipment before it makes a final call, Kerry said.
“Where you see certain countries, including Canada, diversify a portfolio by one type of asset is they have different roles and requirements,” he said. “Both these submarines are attack-hunter submarines. They’re not ballistic missile submarines. So they kind of do the same role.”
When The Canadian Press asked Defence Minister David McGuinty about the idea of splitting the procurement last week, he referred the matter to the procurement minister.
“I’m not managing the details of the procurement of that important decision, but we have narrowed it down from five to two. That was a very big decision,” he said. “That will be looked at by (Public Services and Procurement Canada), be looked at by our defence officials, by our operational needs, by our navy folks.”
The Canadian Press has reached out to Procurement Minister Joël Lightbound’s office, which has not yet replied with a statement.
Canada is in a race against time to replace its four aging Victoria-class submarines, which are expected to retire from service by 2035.
Mitchell said problems related to supporting the half-century-old Victoria subs will start to emerge, such as shortages of replacement parts as manufacturers cease production.
“Right down to the little twisty button that’s on the control panel, (say) nobody makes that thing any more. When it breaks, how do you fix that? Do you stick a screwdriver in to turn the handle?” he said. “There’s issues like that that are going to become increasingly prevalent with the Victoria class as it begins to age.
“At that point, they’re going to become really serious limitations where we might start having to cannibalize the remaining boats in order to keep maybe one available for training. So, the faster that we can get these boats in the water means the sooner we can stop relying on the Victorias.”
This report by The Canadian Press was first published Sept. 23, 2025.
Kyle Duggan, The Canadian Press
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I do agree with some of the points made, but in a time of global conflicts, and wildcards in Europe and North Korea, maybe it is not a bad idea. What if the little fat man of the DPRK attacked South Korea, and it’s coastal shipyards? What if Putin and some of his allies attacked the EU?
I get some of the concerns . . . easier to certify submariners to operate/maintain one type of submarine, than two, but we are in challenging times and time is very much a factor. If two different shipyards are building subs, they should be able to put out the 12 faster, than if just one was buildling them . . . it would be easier having just the one, and the crews could be interchanged if necessary, smoother, but the threats are real and there is no time to wait.
NATO countries are focused on a world war within 4 years! Canada is already far behind to face this war. We need the subs now! I don’t have much faith in the Liberal procurement process and still remember the fiasco buying the 4 subs from the Brits . . . they dragged their feet, then purchased them and left them to wrought in salt water in Britain, ingoring the British Royal Navy’s advice to send over a maintenance crew, to prevent damage from them sitting in salt water. They have cost us billions, and never were 4 ever fully operational! They became money pits and couldn’t even patrol under our Arctic ice, which should have been one of the primary goals of the purchase.
Because of the threats in Europe and Asia, it may just be a good idea to separate the purchase with the understanding we need them to be completed in a timely, but effecient manner!
Canada has the longest coastline in the world with threats from foreign actors who want to do us harm, with drug smuggling,and human trafficking coming from the sea as well. There is no indication at this time that the threat of a third world war is going to subside! Canada, or should I say the Liberals, have bankrupt our military for decades, expecting the US to protect us . . . now if we want to remain a country, we must invest or . . . well you know the answer to that!
Most do not understand the rationing of food, supplies, fuel, etc from past world wars, the hardships, the loss of life and as opposed to the previous two world wars, we could see incursions on our soil from coastal areas.
Unlike the US, most Canadians do not own gun or even know how to shoot, or maintain guns to protect themselves. We rely on our police and military!
We need to get subs that are not junk and perhaps we can negotiate a deal where we can build some replacement parts in Canada. Just do not make any deals with China!