June 14th, 2024

People on ‘freedom’ convoy need to make change legally


By Lethbridge Herald on February 11, 2022.

Editor:

I am deeply ashamed and disappointed with Canadians right now, from the top leaders of our country to the lowliest. Holding fellow Canadians hostage, breaking laws and desecrating historical monuments are beneath most Canadians imaginations. On the news, I see flags representing Donald Trump, Nazi Germany, and the U.S. Confederate flag beside signs for freedom. 

 If you don’t believe Canada is one of the most free countries in the world, I invite you to move to any number of countries where their residents would die to have the freedom we take for granted. 

I wish the people on the freedom bandwagon would vote or get involved with legally making changes, or at least recognize how lucky they are to live in Canada where they won’t be lost in some prison for the next 30 years.

E. Martin

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buckwheat

All debunked and taken care of by the truckers. Watch some other news channels. Someone desecrated the Terry Fox statue with a flag and a toque. How dare they Greta.

johnny57

“On the news” That’s your first mistake Sir or Madam Martin! The accusations you mention are Trumped-up to make the “Freedom Fighters” look like a bunch of thugs, racists and trouble-makers! I do agree with you that the authoritarian-Trudeau should and I am sure will be removed! But we have a system for that called “Democracy” If the convoy tries to take him-out before the term is up I for one could never support a illegal move like that!

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Guy Lethbridge

“a bunch of thugs, racists and trouble-makers!“

Well, you got one thing right .

johnny57

Only on YOUR religiously-relevant Fake News!

Elohssa Gib

Oh J57, it’s almost too easy, but I don’t really care so here goes. When you put a term in quotes, as is “On the news” and “Freedom Fighters”, it signifies that you are questioning the term. So I take it that you subscribe to the idea that news from the mainstream media is fake — where have we heard that before? — but also you don’t really think the protesters are actually fighting for freedom. The thing is, words matter and if you don’t use them properly you create confusion. It’s a grammatical thing.

johnny57

You need to stop reading so much into a phrase or two or word! That’s one thing I have noticed with you lefties-If you can’t win a argument or debate your default setting is to reach for any low hanging fruit. Shameful!

Elohssa Gib

You misread me. Many of my views are quite conservative. My interest in the proper use of language is but one example.

Elohssa Gib

As of 2:00 pm on Feb. 14, reports of 11 people arrested at the border. According to the RCMP they were in possession of various firearms, a cache of ammunition, and body armour of the sort issued to police. There are only two groups at the border: The protesters, who are in violation of Alberta legislation, and the police. So what group do you think was going to be targeted?

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SophieR

Since the gophers aren’t out yet, my guess to your brain teazer is that they were going to shoot police officers.

I wonder what our freedom fighters here think of that? Killing people because you don’t like wearing masks.

johnny57

And now with Ottawa’s addition powers! We now live in a dictatorship! What do you think of that?

SophieR

Numeracy skills are very important, johnny57.

Ben Matlock

You must cut johnny57 some sack. I think he was just having a MTG “Gazpacho” moment.

Elohssa Gib

johnny57 — Government overreach — you threw a curve ball. I bet Passes-Wind that you would take the “False Flag” angle and he bet that you would take the “Fake News” angle.

PW, double or nothing on the next response?

Ben Matlock

EG: You are on. How about on the next hot-button issue, whatever that might be, we bet on which member of the “Axis of Outrage” writes an online comment with highest ratio of words to exclamation marks?

Older-Than-Old-School

Are you familiar with the oversight provisions in the legislation? What aspects of those provisions are wanting in your opinion and why?

johnny57

Gees I wonder!!

h2ofield

Illiterate mental midget. You just keep making more of an ass of yourself.

biff

says the biggest…you do more to undermine the position of forced vaxing just by being onside with the forced vaxers.

h2ofield

Go hump someone else’s leg.

pursuit diver

Agreed 100%! There are flights leaving Canada everyday!
Go see the world and learn what True Freedom is! It includes respecting others and working together! Not 10% of the population, which are only 1/3 financed by Canadians and over 56% funded by the US radicals and other countries with their own agendas causing such an insurrection, attacking Canada’s democracy and sovereignty!
For the Coutts/milk River blockade, I say it is time to bring in ‘Watchdog’, ‘Bluebell’, Taurus ARV’s, some of the old Styrs with tow cables, coming in with a show of force with low level fly overs by CF-18’s before Hercs perform AGL drops of troops and Griffin/Chinooks bring in other equipment and secure area for Watchdog/Bluebell to enter area.
Police will then make arrests and throw the insurgents into buses and show them some good old hospitality in an arena for a few weeks to let them think about their freedom and takng foreign financing to hold Canadians hostage!
But our spineless politicians that only worry about the next election and not serving there electorate would never send in the military, so these terrorists witll continue and the healthcare staff will become overburdened once more after not being able to recover from the stress and loss of sleep and a life, that they have endured for the last 2 years. All because 10% of the population have decided not to wait another month but force removal of restrictions.
The high costs of policing in just our local blockades must be over $150,000 per day and the costs to the communities they had to leave to bolster ranks underdetermined, but many that need police there will now have to wait for hours longer and these law enforcement members will see higher burn out rates trying to cover all the accidents/incidents themselves.
The impact is much more than many understand!
When the next wave hits the hospitals from these terrorists creating all the issues, let us remember who caused it! US manipulation, poor political leadership and these radical insurgents!

pursuit diver

I should make an important revision to the number of insurgents holding Canada hostate:
I stated 10% of the population, but it is only 0.06 % of the Canadian population are involved across Canada and the number of truckers involved are less the 10% of Canadian truckers.
Many of these people were deviants and didn’t obey many of our laws before COVID. Many of the trucks have illegal tint, illegal exhausts with no mufflers, illegal lights, no display of registered owner on doors or tare weights/max weights displayed as required by law. Being a renegade on the back 40 on your own land is fine, but when you bring it onto public highways and streets that crosses the land! I would be thankful police have been as patient as they have for now and go home, point made!

phlushie

sorry, I can;t fly out because Mr. Trudeau’s illegal mandates won’t allow me.
I don’t have the freedom to leave without being arrested and detained. So where is our freedom?

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pursuit diver

phlushie I doubt you want to fly out, because if you did, you would know that the countries you are flying to have restrictions as well.
Do you understand what a pandemic is?
occurring over a wide geographic area (such as multiple countries or continents) and typically affecting a significant proportion of the population.
Like the protesters you only care about yourself and not anyone else!
Maybe you would like to live in China where lockdowns meant you could leave your home, period! Not even your apartment or condo!
You obviously have not travelled, because if you had, you would appreciate the freedoms and the protections Canadians enjoy and have enjoyed for several decades since WWII.
The problem is that Canadians don’t and didn’t understand or appreciate the freedoms we had or enjoyed and have been too spoiled!
Reality check now . . . we are facing a different time and changes are happening! We will see more unrest, more wars, more extreme weather, dramatic financial hardships with all budgets being slashed and social supports and health care services reduced and further fracturing of Canada as all the splinter groups wreak havoc!
Countries are relaxing their restrictions, but the far right US movements that have followers across Canada decided it would be a perfect time to make their move, as they attempted in Washington, DC Jan 06, 2021.
They are growing and you evidently don’t see that or the threat to our sovereignty and way of life!

phlushie

you have been indoctrinated by the social engineering applied but the government controlled media, time to wake up and remember 1939, unless you do not study history.

IMO

Freedom is not a wild card. Freedom comes with responsibilities. By telling the reader that if you left Canada you would be arrested and detained, you are announcing that you have either committed an illegal act and are, therefore, not permitted to enter another country or you have made the choice not to receive a vaccine and/or wear a mask. Whatever you are referring to, you had/have a choice. You made the choice. You have responsibilities based on the choice you freely made.

biff

freedom has some basic tenets, such as people own their body in a free society. mandating that a person has to take something into their body against their will, or govt imposes consequences is antithetical to freedom. the responsibility under such egregious intrusion is to take a stand and remind govt where the line is drawn.

Elohssa Gib

phlushie, a couple of points. First, please explain which COVID-19 measures are illegal and why. Second, if it were up to me, I’d loosen the travel requirements just long enough to see you get on that plane.

IMO

Bazinga!

biff

supporting more automation at human expense. well done.

SophieR

You may be unfamiliar with the term ‘Bazinga!’, biff. It roughly means: Advancements in technology should reduce the toil of humans (and the pain of non-human species) while maintaining opportunities for meaningful lives.
 
I would suggest it is in reference to the poor, idle people living on the streets of Ottawa who are expressing their suffering from public health measures by pissing on graves and honking their horns all night.

biff

what your reference celebrates is the displacement of more jobs to automation. as we have seen quite plainly, the promise of reduced toil, as you put it, was and remains a lie. the reality of people out of work, and increasing underemployment and working poor is the ongoing outcome.
btw_ like imo, you are onside with pursuit and h2ZERO so very often – says a lot about the veracity of your positions here.

SophieR

I see that you are a bit unfocused, biff. I would suggest our real problem is what to do with people displaced by technology. This may require a system change to something more centered on wellbeing than shareholder value.

IMO

umm…biff, this has been occurring for centuries. You know, the Industrial Revolution and now the Tech Revolution. Come to think of it, if you are so averse to automation, how is it that you make the complaint using modern technology? Given your assertion above, wouldn’t it be more consistent to match your words with your actions? Like, for example, hand written responses to Letters to the Editor delivered on foot to the Lethbridge Herald.

biff

because “it has been occurring” is hardly a basis for determining it is good for people. your entire entry is as dumb as it gets. either you are going so far out of your way just to be contrary to biff entries, or, you have become an utter moron. seeing as you are onside so often of late with the likes of h2ZERO and pursuitdriver, it appears the covid vaxes have undermined your intellectual capacity by quite some measure.

IMO

biff, are you suggesting that in order to not receive insults from you, folks must completely agree with you and disagree with others who don’t share your views? Just wanting to clarify.

Moving on to the topic you’ve introduced, what is your criteria for determining if something is good for people?

I for one am thankful we’ve moved on from the days of the Industrial revolution where it was common to work between 14 – 16 hours a day, 6 days a week because factory owners were not willing to leave their factories idle.

With society moving into another technological revolution, the workplace is changing yet again You might find the following item in Forbes magazine to be of interest in this regard.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesbusinessdevelopmentcouncil/2020/10/14/recognizing-the-technological-revolution-and-preparing-for-the-next-economy/?sh=2eaa43703965

Aligned with this is the notion of the 4 day work week. The following article, as you will note, takes a balanced approach, I think, as any kind of major paradigm shift takes time to work out.
https://www.changerecruitmentgroup.com/knowledge-centre/the-pros-and-cons-of-a-4-day-working-week

We are in a time of rapid change. This will require sober thought to navigate through successfully.

biff

i took care to note that your response was as dumb as it gets, and followed with either you are going so far out of your way just to be contrary to biff entries, or, you have become an utter moron. i am certain you are aware that the response in question was hardly on point.
i expect sophie, yourself, and i are mostly onside with regard to inequality, and ecological, environmental, and sustainability concerns. however, you have begun a discussion around what changes have been for the better. the concern i brought up was in response to you and sophie making light of more jobs displacement. typically, that has not worked out so well, and hence, the hit the waning middle class has been taking since the 80s.

biff

good news for belgium.

h2ofield

Lashing out at everyone. Aren’t you a piece of work.
You need a dunce cap and a crying towel

biff

h2ZERO just never has an idea. always an ignorant twit. you must have been the guy in school that moved in to put the final kicks on the guy that somebody else had already beat to the ground. ditto to the idiots that support your stupidity.

h2ofield

Again, keep lashing out and crying.
There’s reason a ‘biffy’ is a toilet.

pursuit diver

Let us remember the truckers involved represent less than 10% of truckers in Canada and many people are not truckers, but farmers, paid protesters and US citizens.
When you are handing money out to protest, it attracts all kinds nutcases and people that could care a less why they are protesting!
Then you get Christian organizations that have been duped that this is a movement of God!
For those of us that know the fruits of the spirit Christ expressed and his command, these people are doing things that are more what demons would do. Again, as I continue to say to those, ask yourself how would Christ respond? Read Romans 13 1-5 as you are contemplating that!
Public urinatination/defecation, racists comments to people walking in the Ottawa area, forcing themselves into malls and hotel lobbies and threatening security/employees, keeping thousands of residents up 24 hours a day with all the noise from revving engines, PA systems, honking horns and fireworks!
That is not the God who gave us his son, Christ but the God of this world, Satan. We see false prophets and anti-Christs surface as we never have seen before and people that say they are Christians need to test their actions against the word of God.
COVID took away all of our freedoms in an effort to save lives and it did!
1918 Spanish Flu pandemic saw about 55 million deaths while the world population was only about 2 billion!
COVID has only seen less than 6 million deaths in a world population of 8 billion!
The measures worked, but many just don’t get it and are too undisciplined to understand the measures were in place to protect everyone, not just vaccinated or unvaccinated!
Now radical groups have used the pandemic to strengthen their ranks!
Let me remind one last thing: Hells Angels are a brutal organization that has zero care for human life, making money in human trafficking/prostitution, arms and drug sales, money laundering, paid enforcement actions, etc., yet get involved in publicly advertised actions like the “teddy bear” run to bolster public views of support! But they are still the people the murder, human traffic, etc., so be careful who you support and pay attention!
Our countries sovereignty is threatening and our freedoms by these actions!

TonyPargeter

Oh dear, just when I thought you were making sense. You realize that after GoFundMe dumped these misguided fools that they turned to a Christian organization, apparently the same one that funded Jan. 6th? And you’ve surely heard about the residential school debacle, and the ongoing sexual abuse of children by trusted “priests.” What more in the name of religious delusion? AT WHAT POINT do you reconsider or even actually CONSIDER your affiliations? Do we not have minds?
Clearly, the only hope for humanity is if the entire concept of “belief” can somehow be truly buried INSTEAD of all those poor children in unmarked graves across the country. Which is more important?!
My grandfather’s hired man was in the second world war and told us about finding a well behind a Catholic monastery that was full of infant bones.