By Lethbridge Herald on February 28, 2025.
Editor,
We have a UCP government which is anti-science, anti-vaccine, and pro-open pit coal mining – a deadly combination.
The UCP panders to its base as opposed to doing what is best for all Albertans. The UCP should be taking actions supported by scientists and engineers, by medical doctors and other health care professionals. But that’s not their way.
The majority of Albertans are pro-vaccine and anti-open pit coal mining.
Our children and grand-children will pay for the UCP’s decisions to choose short-term gain and long-term pain.
Leslie Lavers
Lethbridge
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R U surprised? They were elected by persons knowing full well their MAGA like, Wildrose agenda.
What’s so stupid about it is the fact that they have so many stupid supporters we can’t stop them, can we? We are no different than the U.S. are we? They don’t t care what happens to our Children and grandchildren do they?
Obviously not. You would think that Albertans would learn, but they don’t. Look at the recent budget by Danielle Smith and the UCP. They have to borrow money to give a tax cut that is merely a way to try and save themselves, because they do so many very costly debacles and mistakes. That personal tax cut was supposed to happen in 2023, if the UCP were re-elected, but it’s only happening now, because the UCP did two more very costly debacles, which are well over $600 million and $11 billion.
As soon as your fav Party (NDP) stops being extreme left to counter the extreme right…..you may get more votes.
How stupid are you? Every lawyer, accountant, economist, oilman, banker or former Conservative MLA we talked to has had nothing but praise for what Notley was doing. Where is your proof that she wasn’t good for us?
Former Conservative MLA Allan Warrack said this about her” Rachael Notley Led Like Lougheed” all the Conservatives said that she was so much like Conservative Peter Lougheed and that was what they liked so much about her.
Well said!
The NDP aren’t extreme left. Former Conservative politicians in Alberta support the NDP, because they know the UCP and Danielle Smith aren’t any good.
https://www.reddeeradvocate.com/news/former-red-deer-pc-attorney-general-jim-foster-takes-issue-with-smiths-ethics-violation-6826729
https://lethbridgeherald.com/commentary/letters-to-the-editor/2025/01/27/smiths-mar-a-lago-trip-grounds-for-dismissal/
After all the sarcastic comments we heard from these idiotic Reformers about her wasting billions of dollars the financial statements I saw as a banker proved she didn’t waste any, but of course these mindless Albertans would rather believe the lies of these Reformers instead of the truth and Dennis is no different.
As a lawyer friend would say how did Notley become the enemy when she was only in office for four years and these Reformers had 25 years to create the mess we are in.
How is UCP anti science ? By not agreeing with you? Science is questioning and testing . Not simply accepting an “expert” opinion. That’s science. The crowsnest pass was built on coal mining. Smaller scale. Bigger numbers. Still there. Coal mining is not a death sentence to communities. It goes on all over the world. Energy. Steel making. Stuff we use and need every day.
The UCP doesn’t listen to experts. Peter Lougheed enacted the 1976 Coal Policy to protect the mountains, the water and the environment from harm. How can you eat money?
How do you think a scientific expert becomes an expert if it isn’t from questioning and testing ideas?
The process of scientific inquiry is well established, rigorous and has served civilization well ever since scientists began challenging religious dogma.
Just curious, “old school,” where on the Dunning-Kruger Curve would you place the expert on a given matter and where would you place the non-expert?
You ask the question. Here is the answer. Doesn’t matter whether you are talking about vaccines, LGBTQ,, environmental issues, it is the facts that research and observation together create credible results – results that your beloved UPO often patently ignores. One might consider Dr Wakefield a discredited researcher around the world who according to some, is an “expert” in the field of vaccination (vaccination and autism) based on flawed data and bias before becoming a “fact”. This “fact” allows some “experts” to allow freedom to choose , the result being what is happening right now with increasing sickness and death associated with measles. You (correctly for once ) mention that the Crowsnest Pass was built on coal mining, but so what? The world moves on or perhaps you don’t give a toss what the planet looks like in twenty years time when your kids or grandkids make it out into the real world.
Fact is you define science as questioning and testing and again (for once ) you are correct. The UCP changes the yardsticks however when something based on science negates a policy consideration. Consider LaGrange who quietly overruled the coal moratorium only to have the change rescinded when the best kept secret was outed. The reduction in provincial park management overlooked the very real benefits tracks of land designated as such. Allowing off road use age in sensitive areas despite the proven environmental degradation. Questioning vaccine mandates…
You seem to think because coal mining goes on all over the world makes it OK, yet you fail to mention the fatalities and ill health for those downstream or not directly associated with the mi nes themselves.
And BTW, no one is suggesting steel making is something abhorrent and must be phased out .
One thing is clear though and that is attitudes like yours, some UCP ministers, MAGA etc, means an environmental and health catastrophe for generations to come.
well stated.
And yet the Green, watch Lithium, Cobalt, and Rare Earth mines let loose so they can drive an Electric car and the standards? C’mon, they are saving the planet, for Gawds sake, give the miners a break!! Woke woke woke lol
this is not an issue about needs. it is entirely about ensuring responsible and, thus, safe procurement of coal. why does one shut down to all the info shared thus far on the devastating legacy of open pit coal mining? indeed, the underground coal extraction in the pass has proven far more tolerable to the long term safety of our water systems than has open pit. that said, in addition to toxic metal overloads into our ground, water and air from open pit, we are also now far more vulnerable to water depletion.
as for the legacy of open pit, we have tent mtn in the pass to reference, as well as nearby the effects upon the water and land of fernie, koocanusa, and pending massive lawsuits coming from much further afoot in usa border states.
and, the kicker, is that the foreign mining company and a relative few alberta insiders are going to rake in the very most from this disaster.
The UCP supporters sure were easily fooled by the lies the UCP tells them, and bought off with bribes. They are just like trained seals. Believe anything Danielle Smith and the UCP tells them. So foolish.
These fools were bought off with a pathetic $1,000. that’s how stupid they are, while paying the highest power bills, highest property taxes in Canada, yet every man, woman and child in Alaska has received $52,000. Each since 1982 in total annual oil dividend cheques, that’s how stupid they are. Lougheed was planning to do the same for Albertans once he had created a huge savings account.
I have been to Alaska twice and to Norway once and talked to the people about what proper management of their oil industry has done for them. They couldn’t be happier. These fools are so stupid they can’t think for themselves, so they let these Reformers do it and go along with anything they tell them.
Speaking of science what are the current ppm per liter of water in all the downstream rivers near the proposed mine. Anyone know? Also was is the upper safe limit in water. I’ve been asking for months on all sorts of forums and
None of the NIMBY’s or CAVE people won’t answer the questions. Presumably if they did it would reduce their argument to a whimper. Still think they should close all ski resorts, devalue the property, return it to its natural state and stop siphoning water for snow making. That’s got to be hard on the fish.
Tourette’s much?
the following was already posted by me in another thread. i suppose it was too long for you and some others to read, especially as it suggests that open pit coal mining will create significant issues.
nutshell: open pit coal mining affects the environment nearby and further afoot than does underground; and, in response to the nonsense you shared in another thread, that selenium is presently easy to remove from water, one can read that selenium is not at all able to be removed with much good effect from water. also, keep in mind the grassy mine, in addition to being open pit, will also suck massive fresh water out of our system, which is already highly compromised.
“The original Grassy Mountain coal mine was abandoned about 60 years ago and was never reclaimed. A report by Colin Cooke, Craig Emmerton and Paul Drevnick (2024) reviewed information and water quality data from the Grassy Mountain site and the region. The Alberta researchers found coal mining left a legacy of disturbed landscapes and abandoned infrastructure with clear impacts on water resources.
The authors noted the intensity and persistence of water pollution. Pollution and contamination have been poorly characterized in the area. The researchers collected water samples downstream of two historical coal mines, Tent Mountain and Grassy Mountain.
Tent Mountain is a partially reclaimed surface mine that closed in 1983. Selenium concentrations downstream of Tent Mountain reached 185 μg/L in a lake below the mine spoil pile, and up to 23 μg/L in Crowsnest Creek, which drains the lake and the mine property. The authors noted that in 2019, two streams draining the waste rock pile at Tent Mountain were sampled and analyzed for dissolved Se and concentrations ranged from 119 to 801 μg/L — well above maximum acceptable concentrations.” https://www.grainews.ca/columns/selenium-sits-on-thinnest-line-between-health-and-hazard/
we should be aware that there are a number of lawsuits pitting state/community against mining cos that have poisoned land and water. we should know that such poisoning is not limited specifically to the place of the mining, but has in fact spread far beyond, and a number of lawsuits come from places where such mining did not occur.
we should be aware that the reservoir we share with montana, called lake koocanusa, has been contaminated from coal mining. we should know that selenium is an issue in the elk river and in fernie’s water.
we should know that selenium fallout is not limited to water and fish: as with numerous other substances that mining uses and/or exposes, that can accumulate and cause harm, are not limited to just water, but also affect the health of the land and the animals and food on that land.
we should know that tailings ponds full of additional toxic chemicals leach and breach regularly, thanks to poor mining practices that have forever been the norm.
(we should know that fracking poisons the water table, that cos that frack are permitted to destabilise and poison the water table and the land with a bevvy of toxic chemicals that they do not even have to make public.)
we should know that govts do too little to nothing to research the fallouts from mining, and tend to rely on big mining’s “expert” research, much the way govts permit big corp to police themselves by and large (big pharma and big chem are nice examples).
as to your shared but erroneous belief that selenium can simply be removed from water, here is a useful read, whereby a researcher hopes to create a technology that undermines selenium toxicity due to mining, but there is still nothing that mining cos use that for sure prevent significant selenium fallout from mining. what is notable is that mining has had an ongoing legacy of environmental fallout, and nothing to date has worked to curtail the overload of selenium into land and water at unsafe levels.
“Heather Shrimpton, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Waterloo’s Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences, hopes to transform how mining companies manage selenium contamination. Her cutting-edge research, which uses synchrotron light and selenium isotopes, promises to improve the environmental health and safety standards of mining operations, offering an unprecedented ability to monitor and ensure long-term remediation success.”
Selenium, a naturally occurring nutrient, is essential in small doses for human and animal health.
However, when mining activities release excessive selenium into surrounding soil and water bodies, it becomes a dangerous pollutant. At higher concentrations, selenium can lead to reproductive issues in fish and wildlife, and potentially even harm humans through bioaccumulation.
“The big problem,” Shrimpton notes, “is that selenium toxicity doesn’t tend to kill adults. It affects reproduction—so you see failures in fish spawning and weird mutations in birds. It’s not an immediate crisis, but the long-term effects are severe.” This environmental impact, particularly in regions with significant mining activities, like the Elk Valley in Canada’s Rockies, has become a major transboundary concern.
Shrimpton’s research focuses on the need for more accurate monitoring of selenium remediation systems, such as the wetlands or bacterial treatment strategies currently employed by the mining industry. These systems aim to reduce selenium levels by transforming it into a less harmful state, but until now, there has been no way to measure whether the selenium is permanently removed or if it might re-enter ecosystems over time.
“Mining companies have tried several remediation systems, but often they don’t know if these methods are working long-term,” Shrimpton says. “With selenium isotopes, we can track exactly what’s happening to the selenium and see if it’s being removed for good.” By studying how selenium isotopes change during the reduction process, Shrimpton can determine whether the selenium is locked into a solid form and safely removed from the water, or if it’s still lingering in a dangerous state.
This breakthrough couldn’t come at a better time for mining industry leaders who are under increasing pressure to meet environmental health and safety standards. Environmental contamination from selenium has already led to strained relations between industries and communities, especially where fishing and wildlife are threatened. As Shrimpton explains, “if you’re a sport fisherman, you want more baby fish so that you can catch and eat them safely. Knowing that a mining company’s remediation efforts are actually working is critical to maintaining public trust.”
https://www.thesafetymag.com/ca/news/general/improving-selenium-remediation-in-mining/509134
and here is a writing that speaks more specifically to teck mining’s legacy in bc, the same teck that is being legally pursued by nearby states. https://thenarwhal.ca/for-decades-b-c-failed-to-address-selenium-pollution-in-the-elk-valley-now-no-one-knows-how-to-stop-it/
“The original Grassy Mountain coal mine was abandoned about 60 years ago and was never reclaimed.” The authors noted the intensity and persistence of water pollution. Pollution and contamination have been poorly characterized in the area. The researchers collected water samples downstream of two historical coal mines, Tent Mountain and Grassy Mountain. (that said, indeed, grassy was a relatively longer time ago mining site. however, given the fallout from very recent mining of coal such as in the elk valley, and given the lawsuits filed against teck by some usa states, we know that despite good old promises by big mining there is not enough being done to mitigate toxic fallout – which extends well beyond the mining sites…as supported by lawsuits.)
given that grassy has not been mined as extensively as was tent, we should consider the issues arising over the decades from tent as concerns to come from grassy. given there are very recent issues related to very recent mining just a nice drive away affecting and coming from the elk valley, and given the fact noted in the abstract by Heather Shrimpton, a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Waterloo’s Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences, which was partially quoted and entirely referenced in my prior very long entry, we also know that there is yet nothing that prevents toxic fallout from mining that coughs up selenium…except not doing the mining.
indeed, why put safety first, rather than money first – for some – despite the fact that the very most recent coal mining projects not very far at all from us have left a toxic legacy that has spread rather far from the mining sites.
So your long winded diatribe includes the following:
“The authors noted the intensity and persistence of water pollution. Pollution and contamination have been poorly characterized in the area. The researchers collected water samples downstream of two historical coal mines, Tent Mountain and Grassy Mountain.”
Tent and Grassy have been closed for 40-60 years. if they’re still leaching contaminants, where are the demonstrable downstream affects? It evidently isn’t a worry.
the numbers from tent, that is to say the issue of selenium, has been measured and documented in water systems in the area…curious how what you quote from my entry avoids the alarming numbers.
as for our dear oldman river, not sure if there has ever been a measure of much anything chemical. however, our issue in lethbridge and the surrounding region has much to with sustainable potable water reserves. open pit mining will deal a good blow to that sustainability. keep in mind tent was not near the open pit mining project that will be grassy.
i wonder – what is your stake in the this awful project? why is one so heavily “invested” in grassy, rather than taking heed of the significant concerns? those concerns are expressed by and represent a vast range of concerned and affected stakeholders – who transcend political stripes.
I still have the same question. Where are all the downstream affects from the previous mine operations?
Measuring the downstream effects of two relatively small open pit mines a half-century ago? I guess you could count indicator species like westslope cutthroat in downstream rivers – they used to be quite abundant, I hear.
Tent mountain was not “relatively small”.
You heard wrong. The cutthroat are still there. (Except for the ones I caught).
So. In summary, there is no evidence of downstream affects you can confirm. Got it.
A “broken record” response. Of course it is – consider the source.